Since when are Egyptians not white?

As early as casting announcements exodus: Gods and Kings has been a controversy magnet. Welsh and Australians actors playing Egyptian Kings rubbed certain people the wrong way. Various groups sprinted to the internet with hashtags like #boycottexodusmove and wacky memes. But wait-a-minute, everyone knows Egyptians are Arabs and everyone knows Arabs are white (never mind the fact that Arab is a poly-ethnic linguistic group that isn't race specific) so was the big deal? Is this just ethnic nitpicking? Well writer and editor David Dennis Jr. thought it was a big enough deal to write this  in a post on Medium:

"But to make the main characters white and everyone else African is cinematic colonialism. It’s creating a piece of historical 'art' that carries on oppressive imagery that’s helped shackle entire countries and corners of the world."

Joel Edgerton tried to quiet the flames when he admitted,

““I do say that I am sensitive to it and I do, I do understand and empathize with that position.”

Ridley Scott joined in to defend his casting choice by saying,

"Egypt was –- as it is now -– a confluence of cultures, as a result of being a crossroads geographically between Africa, the Middle East and Europe. We cast major actors

from different ethnicities to reflect this diversity of culture, from Iranians to Spaniards to Arabs. There are many different theories about the ethnicity of the Egyptian people, and we had a lot of discussions about how to best represent the culture."

A few months later Ridley Scott added more fuel to the fire when he told Varity,

“I can’t mount a film of this budget, where I have to rely on tax rebates in Spain, and say that my lead actor is Mohammad so-and-so from such-and-such."

and

"I’m just not going to get it financed. So the question doesn’t even come up.”

Both of them admitting to (and defending the) strange casting while being careful to avoid the elephant in the room, being careful not to use those two words in a sentence: "black" and "Egyptian"

Along comes media mogul Rupert Murdoch weighing on the 20th Century Fox distributed movie. He took to twitter with a few of fascinating tweets:

Moses film attacked on Twitter for all white cast. Since when are Egyptians not white? All I know are.
— Rupert Murdoch (@rupertmurdoch) November 29, 2014

 Being a strait  shooter Mr. Murdoch decided the answer to this much debated question concerning the racial makeup of a people living some 5,000 years ago can be found in his circle of friends today.

Everybody-attacks last tweet. Of course Egyptians are Middle Eastern, but far from black. They treated blacks as slaves.
— Rupert Murdoch (@rupertmurdoch) November 29, 2014

There is a refreshing honesty when he tweeted "they treated blacks as slaves" which is the kind of thing I have literally only heard said aloud by self-identified  white supremacists but I suspect many people quietly believe. 

Look, I understand his confusion, the types of Egyptians Rupert would most likely be associating with are the wealthiest minority (White Arabs) who aren't the indigenous peoples that founded Egypt thousands of years ago.

 I understand how he could unwittingly side with Charles Gabriel Seligman who invented  "brown skinned whites" as a solution to the dilemma the white supremacist model faced. How can the Negro be both intellectually inferior sub-humans and build a great civilization that predates many of their own?

I understand this because it’s the predominate paradigm in pop culture. To even suggest something so wild: that this African nation that shared linguistic, culturally ascetic, and religious ties with its African neighbors could also share racial ties, sounds ludicrous to the average American (or Australian in this case). 

With that said he does ask a poignant question: “Since when are Egyptians not white?”
In any debate it's always good to have clear definitions lest one commit the fallacy of equivocation. Race is not an ethnic group nor is it a biological category. Race is a sociocultural grouping of human being based on their phenotypes (observable physical characteristics) invented in the 17th century. The Phenotypes commonly associated with the Black or Negro Race are dark skin, tightly curled hair, full lips and round noses (although the Anhara and Tigria of Ethiopia and the Somalians for example are Black people with "aquiline" noses ).

Pictured: Old scientific racism classifications 

With that said I tried to look to other less Internet famous quotes about Egypt’s racial background to weigh in on this debate.

1. Aristotle (384- 322 B.C.E)

It turns out Ol' Aristotle had some choice words to describe his Egyptian contemporaries. Who is Aristotle you ask? Oh, just the guy who discovered logic.

"Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians and so does also too white a complexion as you may see from women, the complexion of courage is between the two."

-Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) (Physiognomics, Vol. VI, 812a)

"Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair."

-Aristotle on the hair form of Egyptians and Ethiopians

“the Egyptians and Ethiopians are very black.”

-Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) Physiognomonica 

 

Pfft. Arostotle. Who is that guy anyway? Right?

2. Herodotus (490-425 B.C.E)

Herodotus also known as the father of history had a few things to say about the the skin color and hair texture of the the Colchis, Ethiopians, and Egyptians. 

"the people of Colchis must be Egyptians because like them they are black-skinned and wooly-haired." 

 -Greek Historian Herodotus (History, Book II.)

"[Egyptians] have the same tint of skin which approaches that of the Ethiopians."

- Greek Historian Herodotus

What does the father of history know about history?

3. Lucian (125-180 AD)

Lucian was a Greek satirist and in the dialog quoted below he indirectly confirms that ancient Egyptians had black skin.

Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): "This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin . . . his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a freeman."

Timolaus: "But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus, All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place.

(Lucian, Navigium, paras 2-3)

-Greek writer, 125 B.C. Lucian

4. Diodorus Siculus

Diodorus Siculus Greek historian  who traveled to Egypt around 60 BC belived Ethiopian were the the originators of Egyptian civilization. He has some choice quotes relating to Egypt and Ethiopia

"They (the Ethiopians) say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians"

and

"They further write that it was among them that people were first taught to honor the gods and offer sacrifices and arrange processions and festivals and perform other things by which people honor the divine. For this reason their piety is famous among all men, and the sacrifices among the Aithiopians (Ethiopians) are believed to be particularly pleasing to the divinity,"

He goes on to say,

"There are also numerous other Aithiopian tribes [i.e. besides those centered at Meroe]; some live along both sides of the river Nile and on the islands in the river, others dwell in the regions that border on Arabia [i.e. to the east], others again have settled in the interior of Libya [i.e. to the west]. The majority of these tribes, in particular those who live along the river, have black skin, snub-nosed faces, and curly hair".

-Ancient Greek historian Diodorus Siculus

(Diodous Siculus, Bibliotheke, 3. Translated by Tomas Hagg, in Fontes Historiae Nubiorum, vol. II: From the Mid-Fifth to the First Century BC (Bergen, Norway, 1996))

5. The Bible

^”5 From these the coastland peoples spread in their lands, each with his own language, by their clans, in their nations.

⁶ The sons of Ham: Cush, Egypt, Put, and Canaan. ⁷ The sons of Cush: Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabteca.”

-The Bible (Genesis 10:5-6) Speaking on the common linage between Cushites (Ethopian) and Egyptians

Pfft the Bible. Not like it's inerrant or anything. And who wrote Genesis? Moses? What does he know about Egyptians? 

6. Constantine de Volney 1783

Prior to Napoleon’s troops defacing  the sphinx of Giza French nobleman Constantine de Volney commented: 

"Just think, that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites!”

and

"In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original color but retained the impress of its original mould."

- Constantine de Volney (French nobleman, philosopher, historian, orientalist, and politician)

Pictured: Constantine de Volney drawing of the Giza Sphinx prior to it's defacement.

Not Pictured: The Giza Sphinx.

7. The Anzac troops (During the first World War)

Fellow Auzzies get in on the fun with this quote during Word War numero uno.

“My God, we didn't know the Egyptians were niggers!”

The Anzac troops (The Australia and New Zealand Army Corps) Quotation attributed to their arrival in Egypt during the First World War

 

 Pictured: The Anzac now knowing the Egyptians were niggers. 

8. Sir E.A.Wallis Budge 1902

Sir Budge to the distaste of his colleges jotted:

"The prehistoric native of Egypt, both in the old and in the new Stone Ages, was African and there is every reason for saying that the earliest settlers came from the South."

"There are many things in the manners and customs and religions of the historic Egyptians that suggests that the original home of their prehistoric ancestors was in a country in the neighborhood of Uganda and Punt." 

- British scholar Sir E.A. Wallis Budge (1902. A History of Egypt from the End of the Neolithic Period to the Death of Cleopatra VII, B.C. 30: Egypt and her Asiatic Empire)

9.Thomas Legh (1812-1814)

Thomas Legh, member of the British Parliament visited Egypt & Nubia in 1812-1814 and wrote:

"There has been considerable dispute about the colour of the ancient Egyptians, some authors asserting that they were Negroes, while others maintain that the present Copts are their descendants, and attempt to prove their supposition by the appearance of mummies, which exhibit complexions of dusky brown, lips occasionally thick, but the nose frequently aquiline. The opinion that the former inhabitants of the country were Negroes is founded chiefly on the expressions used by Herodotus, who calls them 'dark-coloured and woolly haired', and on the character of the head of the Sphinx, which has the Negro features, and may be justly supposed to offer a correct representation of the countenance of the Egyptians. On the other hand, with respect to the present Copts, it cannot be denied, that the dark hue of their hair and eyes, the former of which is frequently not more curled than is occasionally seen among Europeans, their dusky brown complexions and aquiline noses, all correspond pretty exactly with the paintings to be found in the tombs of Thebes. It is remarkable, however, that the inhabitants of the island of Elephantine (i.e. at the border of Nubia) are nearly black. But notwithstanding their colour, the females of Elephantine are conspicuous for their elegant shapes, and are, upon the whole, the finest women we saw in Upper Egypt."

- English traveller Thomas Legh, member of the British Parliament

10. Egyptian Hieroglyphs (Ethnographic Mural)

The Egyptians also had input on how they looked. Below is a "quote" of a hieroglyph called an ethnographic mural. You can see they pictured themselves on the darker end of the spectrum with brown-skin, Afros, and African style braids. While being lighter than the jet black Nubians  their murals show Ancient Egyptians to be much darker than light-skinned neighbors from Libya and Palestine

Pictured: Egyptian ethnographic murals. Egyptians (bottom left)

Pictured: Mural with picture of corresponding people group.

It's also  good to mention that Kemet (the actual name the Egyptian called their nation) means Black land.

11. Cheikh Anta Diop 1974

This historian, anthropologist, physicist, and politician who studied the human race's origins and pre-colonial African culture had this to say,

"By the time Alexander the Great was sweeping the civilized world with conquest after conquest from Chaeronia to Gaza, from Babylon to Cabul; by the time the first Aryan conquerors were learning the rudiments of war and government at the feet of the philosopher Aristotle; and by the time Athens was laying down the foundations of European civilization, the earliest and greatest Ethiopian culture had already flourished and dominated the civilized world for over four centuries and a half. Imperial Ethiopia had conquered Egypt and founded the XXVth Dynasty, and for a century and a half the central seat of civilization in the known world was held by the ancestors of the modern Negro, maintaining and defending it against the Assyrian and Persian Empires of the East.”

-Cheikh Anta Diop Egyptian Historian

12. Mostafa Hefny

Now Mostafa isn't from antiquity and he isn't a historian per se but he is an Egyptian. A Egyptian  man who because Currently, in the United States anyone, irregardless of their phenotypes, who is indigenous to North Africa, is classified as white. He says: 

“I have been awarded, inadvertently, the negative effects of being black such as racial profiling, stereotypes and disenfranchisement due to my Negroid features. However, the legal demand of my racial classification of ‘white’ prevents me from receiving benefits established for black people, “

-Mostafa Hefny an Modern Egyptian immigrant Source: You can http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/07/egyptian-immigrant-wants-to-be-reclassified-as-black/

“We don’t have Egyptians of European decent in Egypt. We have a population a mixture of Ancient Egyptian blacks who intermarried with Arabs right after the Arab conquest. The ancient Egyptian population was brown and black before the Arab conquest. Before the Arab conquest came the Greeks. The Greeks came in 300 B.C. and they started to intermarry with the local population and then the Romans came and ruled from 70 B.C. until they were conquered by the Arabs and kicked out by the Arabs in the 7th century. These people intermarried with Egyptian Copts and made the pigmantaion much lighter because of this intermarriage.”

-Mostafa Hefny an Modern Egyptian immigrant Source:Video - I'm Black and Egyptian, Not White

 

Pictured: Mostafa Hefny, Egyptian, and clearly a white man.

13. DNA

Okay this one isn't a quote but... DNA! Back in December of 2012 the results of DNA testing showed that the mummies of Pharaoh Rameses III and his son belonged to human Y chromosome group E1b1a. This is the Y chromosome group of Sub Saharan Africans who speak Niger–Congo languages.

"Results indicated the autosomal STR profiles of the Amarna period mummies were most frequent in modern populations in several parts of Africa. These results are based on the 8 STR markers for which these pharaonic mummies have been tested, which allow a preliminary geographical analysis for theseindividuals who lived in Egypt during the Amarna period of the 14th century BCE."

-DNA Source: DNA Tribes ® Digest January 1, 2012

In summary

And don't get me started on this woman playing Moses' Ethiopian wife! 

Well I guess the answer according to ancient historians, Egyptian hieroglyphs, 18th, 19th, early 20th century historians, contemporary historians, modern Egyptians, The Bible, DNA evidence, and even some racist fellow Australians who actually went outside of the predominantly Semitic Arab Cairo is... since forever.

Good luck with your movie Mr. Scott  and Mr. Murdoch but between the white supremacist undertones and the anti-Christian overtones (see: Moses schizophrenic and God as Petulant Child) I'm sitting this one out. I don't understand what the demographic you guys were shooting for here... the atheist white supremacist crowd? 

P.S. Looks like Hollywood is really unapologetic about this whiteEgyptian thing: God's of Eygpt coming to a theater near you February 26th 2016

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Christian Hiphop Controversy: It looks like the world.

I was recently watching a Hip-hop video by a group of Christians and I was shocked to read a comment that condemned these artists because of something so superficial as the lighting and scenery. I responded to her and tried to explain that the message is what's really important but she wouldn't budge. So we went back and forth for a a little but I wanted to post he last thing she said and my final response to it. Not only because I think it was fairly well written but becuase this seems to be the misguided opinion of a lot of young well meaning Christians

The young lady wrote:  

“I've just stated about the lights and the effects of it..I've explained about the history of music genres. Clearly, you choose to read what you want & comment on what you want.

For you to say that this is not idol worship. You're spiritually blind. This video uses the same concept as a secular music video (As stated if you watch the video muted, you'll see what I'm talking about).

This is appealing the the flesh the music is as well.

For you to say "Worshiping an Idol and preforming current music are not the same."
You clearly don't see & I URGE you to ask the Holy Spirit to open your eyes.

There is nothing new under the sun. The music in todays genre speak about self, the video concepts are all about self (club scenes , surrounded by women, dancing, being on stages people worshipping them). They throw up baphomet signs, etc This video is no different. The may appear to be "worshipping God" but THEY ARE NOT.

2 Cor. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

I recommend that you break away from these things & ask the Holy spirit for help. I recommend that you go back & do research on how satanic rituals are being implemented in ALL GENRES (Christ is not in this).

I'll tell you this.... Disregard everything I said (since you don't believe me).
Ask the Lord for guidance & do the research yourself.
     
I'll be praying for you.”

Here is my response:

Thank you for your offer for prayer. I too will pray for you.

Idol worship is when the object of worship in a person's heart is other than God. That is not the case here. Or at the very least is hasn’t been shown to be the case here. Dancing and having an elevated stage does nothing to show you the hearts of the people in this video.

You can call me spiritually blind but I think you’ve shown yourself to be spiritually immature. In part you’re approach to the bible is superficial. This kind of naive understanding of the bible and lack of discernment can in fact be dangerous and hinder the spreading of the Gospel.

Scenery, lighting, and genera (ascetics) of something are superficial. The message (substance) is what’s important. You quote 2 Corinthians 11:14 to illustrate you point but have you read the entire chapter for the context?

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 says:

3But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

4For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

 These verses puts verse 14 into context. The people Paul was warning the church in Corinth about are people with false Gospels. The message is what important not the aesthetics.

So verse 13 goes on to say:

13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

What men? Men who practice a certain type of art normally associated with the culture of the day? When you think about it makes perfect sense. If the false apostles came with a jarringly different ascetic what would be the appeal? The bible says these false apostles disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. Isn’t a disguise just a change of appearance? Is keeping the same message the message but changing the appearance the disguise?

No, as verse 5 points out it is men who have a different gospel. You see the deception was these men walked talked and perhaps sang like the Christians of the day but had a different gospel message. That’s the danger, that’s the deception.

The angel of light is the person who imitates the traditional style (ascetics) but changes the truth of the gospel. Keeps the current cultural ascetics (your hymns for example) but changes the message. This is how cults like Church of Mormon and The Jehovah Witness work. That is the exact opposite of what is happening in this video.

As Ravi Zacharias said on this topic “taste will change from generation to generation” and goes on to say “In form we may differ but never differ in substance”

Symbols are only symbols. We give them meaning. For example the Egyptians practiced circumcision before the Hebrews but God took that pagan symbol and made it his own turning it into a symbol of the covenant between him and the Jews.

Don't even get me started on the pagan roots of Christmas.

The cross had a completely different meaning prior to Christ but the Christians of the Middle Ages made it a symbol for themselves to represent Christ’s sacrifice for humanity.

When John wrote his gospel in chapter 1 verse 1 he took the concept of the Logos (the word) he took that from the Stoics, philosophers who thought of the logos as an active rational and spiritual principle that permeated all reality. God through John took that pagan concept and applied to Christ as the Logos that was from the beginning.



It’s not enough to say that a symbol or practice had pagan origins because as I’ve shown God has used those symbols and injected them with new meaning.  The early church wasn’t in some cultural vacuum. It never compromised but it spoke the culture of the time in other words it was in the world though it was not of it.
This is where discernment comes into play. You’ve got to know how to discern between a person going against a sociocultural, regional, or generational preference and person contradicting the universal uncompromising truth of the Gospel.

One has a moral realm while the other does not.

In 1 Corinthian 9 19 -22

19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

You see when Paul was dealing with a Jewish culture he became like a Jew to relate to their culture and when he was speaking to gentiles he became like a gentiles to relate to that culture. Paul understood his audience.  Paul says he did this so that some may be saved. Is the lost within the Hip-hop not worth saving?

So his methods changed depending on the culture he was dealing with but as stated in verse 21 he remained under the law of Christ. He didn’t change his moral behavior or message. That’s why Paul says “Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!” in verse 16.  IT is the message that’s important.

So the question is the message in this correct? I think it is. But you say “but if you mute the video…” So what? I’ve already said it is the message that gives it its moral worth. If you see a man talking to a crowd but can’t hear what he is saying there is no good or bad about that scene in and of itself. But if you hear that man proclaiming the gospel then you know he is doing the Lords work but if that same man in that same scene is saying a different gospel then he is doing evil. The scene has no moral value.  Now watch Kanye West’s Jesus Walks video muted. By all appearances it looks Christian. It has all the Christian imagery but if you listen to the message it is less than Christian.

I should note that there are exceptions. Say there was an explicit sexual nature or explicit violent nature to the scene then those behaviors would be wrong but that isn’t the case here. Dancing and being on a stage has no moral value in and of itself.

One of the problems with the Pharisees is they put too much value in the traditions of men. They had their tastes and their way of doing things
Paul warns in Colossians 2:16 -18

16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,d puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind,
13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

You see it is the substance that belongs to Christ. Paul is concerned about the substance not the peripheral details like food and types of festivals. These are just morally natural cultural tastes. It is the substance that matters: the truth of the gospel and the heart of men who partake in these activities.

Ask yourself, “Am I the puffed up person who is insisting on asceticism that Paul warns about?”

You are right nothing is new under the sun. Christian music has always be controversial.

• They said this about Christian contemporary music; it was considered devils music if a guitar was on stage! Yet today it has become the norm!
•  Since the piano was originally used in bars, some churches had difficulty with it and chose to be non-instrumental. The Piano is a staple of Church worship.
• In the 200s A.D.: Instrumental music was almost universally shunned because of its association with debauchery and immorality. Lyre playing, for example, was associated with prostitution. Yet today many if not most churches use instruments!
• In the 1200s A.D. musicians began to discover the idea of harmony. The choir suddenly changed from the lone chant to two-, three-, or even four-part music. This did not please everyone. One critic commented how harmony sullies worship by introducing a lewdness into church. Yet today can you find a Church that doesn’t sing in harmony?
• Martin Luther’s “A Mighty Fortress" was controversial because he set that poem to a tune from a saloon! Yet today it has become classic.
• Not to mention the controversies surrounding of singing hymns in another language like English.

Paul’s concern came down to this in Colossians 3:16-17

“16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God. 17And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.”

Read closely the emphasis here. Paul, like Christ is concerned with the heart or the intention of the thing. There is nothing about ascetics here. I think this video and others that come from these Christian Hip-hop artists do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus while teaching wisdom. That’s the criteria, not conforming to you tastes or the sociocultural generational preference i.e. the Traditions of men. If that was the case we’d be singing in Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek to the tunes of the first century church.

Be careful not to be like the Pharisees and take the traditions of men over and above effectively reaching out the lost in our current culture. Be like Paul become all things to all men so that you may save a few. The outward look of a thing, though strange is not what’s important but the substance and the heart.

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